1 00:00:01,167 --> 00:00:02,969 There's an evil entity in the house. 2 00:00:03,069 --> 00:00:05,205 You're about to see real people... 3 00:00:05,305 --> 00:00:07,741 I was terrified beyond belief. 4 00:00:07,841 --> 00:00:11,311 ...reliving horrifying paranormal encounters 5 00:00:11,411 --> 00:00:13,113 for the first time. 6 00:00:13,213 --> 00:00:15,382 I truly felt it was like living in hell. 7 00:00:15,482 --> 00:00:19,252 When ghost children come out to play. 8 00:00:19,352 --> 00:00:21,921 But that picture turned out to be very evil. 9 00:00:23,289 --> 00:00:26,459 I buried this for nearly 30 years. 10 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:28,795 Be prepared to be afraid. 11 00:00:28,895 --> 00:00:37,237 (♪♪♪) 12 00:00:37,337 --> 00:00:41,341 (Typing) 13 00:00:43,476 --> 00:00:48,782 (♪♪♪) 14 00:00:48,882 --> 00:00:51,718 We purchased our property in 1998 15 00:00:51,818 --> 00:00:54,220 and we tore down the old home place 16 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,524 and build ours in September of '99. 17 00:00:57,624 --> 00:01:00,460 I quit my job as a draftsman 18 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,129 that I had been working for almost 11 years. 19 00:01:03,229 --> 00:01:08,134 And quit to stay at home and raise my little man. 20 00:01:08,234 --> 00:01:10,036 Jeremy was about 2-years-old 21 00:01:10,136 --> 00:01:11,871 when he had really started articulating his words. 22 00:01:11,971 --> 00:01:12,939 I'd go back to him and I'd say, 23 00:01:13,039 --> 00:01:14,541 "What are you doing, bub?" 24 00:01:14,641 --> 00:01:17,177 And he said, "Playing with Eli." 25 00:01:17,277 --> 00:01:18,878 And I said, "Who's Eli?" 26 00:01:18,978 --> 00:01:19,913 "My friend." 27 00:01:20,013 --> 00:01:22,315 Then I said, "Oh, okay." 28 00:01:22,415 --> 00:01:25,852 And so I had been told by many friends 29 00:01:25,952 --> 00:01:29,522 that had children that they have imaginary friends. 30 00:01:29,622 --> 00:01:31,624 I'd be like, "Okay, what's Eli look like?" 31 00:01:31,724 --> 00:01:33,693 He has the same colour hair as aunt Tam, 32 00:01:33,793 --> 00:01:35,061 which is a natural blond. 33 00:01:35,161 --> 00:01:38,465 My sister's a very blond blond. 34 00:01:38,565 --> 00:01:40,433 "He has eyes your colour." 35 00:01:40,533 --> 00:01:41,468 So blue eyes. 36 00:01:41,568 --> 00:01:44,604 "And he wears belts on his shoulders." 37 00:01:44,704 --> 00:01:46,139 I said, 38 00:01:46,239 --> 00:01:47,674 "That's pretty descriptive, you know?" 39 00:01:47,774 --> 00:01:50,510 And he's like, "He's my friend." 40 00:01:50,610 --> 00:01:55,048 I thought it was a normal result of a only child. 41 00:01:55,148 --> 00:01:56,983 But Mandy was about to discover 42 00:01:57,083 --> 00:02:00,253 there was nothing ordinary about Eli. 43 00:02:00,353 --> 00:02:03,089 (Thundering) 44 00:02:04,357 --> 00:02:08,962 That day my son was at school and I was home alone, 45 00:02:09,062 --> 00:02:13,066 cleaning house, doing my normal mommy chores. 46 00:02:13,166 --> 00:02:16,369 (Child laughing) 47 00:02:16,469 --> 00:02:19,305 And I heard this just little laugh, 48 00:02:19,405 --> 00:02:21,841 it was plain as day. 49 00:02:21,941 --> 00:02:23,843 (Child laughing) 50 00:02:23,943 --> 00:02:38,258 (♪♪♪) 51 00:02:38,358 --> 00:02:41,394 And I thought you know like, "Did I just hear that?" 52 00:02:41,494 --> 00:02:42,996 (Child laughing) 53 00:02:43,096 --> 00:02:49,369 (♪♪♪) 54 00:02:49,469 --> 00:02:51,204 (Child laughing) 55 00:02:51,304 --> 00:03:11,224 (♪♪♪) 56 00:03:11,324 --> 00:03:20,867 (♪♪♪) 57 00:03:20,967 --> 00:03:22,468 Of course nothing's there. 58 00:03:24,537 --> 00:03:26,139 I didn't know if it was paranormal 59 00:03:26,239 --> 00:03:29,209 or if it was my brain. 60 00:03:29,309 --> 00:03:31,477 And Mandy's doubts would be tested again, 61 00:03:31,578 --> 00:03:33,513 just a few nights later. 62 00:03:34,814 --> 00:03:37,884 It was a normal week night uh, 63 00:03:37,984 --> 00:03:39,452 my husband was in bed next to me, 64 00:03:39,552 --> 00:03:40,687 he was already asleep. 65 00:03:40,787 --> 00:03:42,121 My son was in bed. 66 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:52,932 (♪♪♪) 67 00:03:53,032 --> 00:03:54,534 Mommy. 68 00:03:55,935 --> 00:03:58,671 And right in my right ear on this side of the bed, 69 00:03:58,771 --> 00:04:01,941 it would sound like a small child saying, 70 00:04:02,041 --> 00:04:03,910 "Mommy." 71 00:04:04,010 --> 00:04:05,812 I was terrified. 72 00:04:07,046 --> 00:04:09,649 And I was just like, "What's my son doing up, 73 00:04:09,749 --> 00:04:11,017 what's Jeremy doing up?" 74 00:04:11,117 --> 00:04:14,754 You know I do the whole, "What are you doing awake?" 75 00:04:14,854 --> 00:04:16,489 And he's not there. 76 00:04:18,858 --> 00:04:23,062 I did downplay a lot of it, because I just figured that 77 00:04:23,162 --> 00:04:25,632 "Hey, unless I have concrete evidence, 78 00:04:25,732 --> 00:04:29,569 unless I have it in front of me, it doesn't exist." 79 00:04:29,669 --> 00:04:31,971 (Bed creaking) 80 00:04:32,071 --> 00:04:34,140 Mandy became more worried 81 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,076 when she started to hear adult voices too. 82 00:04:38,778 --> 00:04:41,114 On several occasions, when I would be at home alone, 83 00:04:41,214 --> 00:04:45,685 I would hear what sounded like muffled conversations 84 00:04:45,785 --> 00:04:50,690 between a male and a female, almost as in an argument. 85 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:54,927 (Indistinct whisperings) 86 00:04:55,028 --> 00:04:57,063 And I'd hear a footstep down the hallway. 87 00:04:57,163 --> 00:04:59,966 (Footsteps in distance) 88 00:05:00,066 --> 00:05:01,367 Something in my son's room. 89 00:05:01,467 --> 00:05:04,103 He had this little toy piano. 90 00:05:04,203 --> 00:05:06,839 (Music playing) 91 00:05:06,939 --> 00:05:08,508 I would hear playing music. 92 00:05:08,608 --> 00:05:22,822 (♪♪♪) 93 00:05:22,922 --> 00:05:26,592 I felt like I was losing my mind. 94 00:05:26,693 --> 00:05:28,795 My husband would come home from work, 95 00:05:28,895 --> 00:05:31,264 I would tell him these things and he just you know, 96 00:05:31,364 --> 00:05:32,732 roll the eyes and be like, 97 00:05:32,832 --> 00:05:35,401 "You know what, you're son's at school all day, 98 00:05:35,501 --> 00:05:36,536 you're alone, 99 00:05:36,636 --> 00:05:38,771 your brain's creating these noises." 100 00:05:38,871 --> 00:05:41,040 I said, "You're probably right." 101 00:05:41,140 --> 00:05:53,886 (♪♪♪) 102 00:05:53,986 --> 00:05:57,623 I have an old German wooden music box. 103 00:06:00,593 --> 00:06:02,762 (Music box playing) 104 00:06:02,862 --> 00:06:04,697 And I'd hear it play. 105 00:06:04,797 --> 00:06:05,732 And I'd go in 106 00:06:05,832 --> 00:06:07,500 and the lid would be open on my dresser. 107 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:13,272 (♪♪♪) 108 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:17,043 I know that that lid can't open on its own. 109 00:06:18,411 --> 00:06:20,980 You have to open the hinge of the music box 110 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,648 to get it to play. 111 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:26,419 Nobody was believing me, 112 00:06:26,519 --> 00:06:28,621 my husband just thought I was a nutjob. 113 00:06:28,721 --> 00:06:33,459 And you know, my son quit having experiences, 114 00:06:33,559 --> 00:06:36,095 he was already at the age where nothing 115 00:06:36,195 --> 00:06:38,264 was really happening to him anymore. 116 00:06:38,364 --> 00:06:39,365 And I thought, 117 00:06:39,465 --> 00:06:41,534 "Why am I still hearing this stuff?" 118 00:06:41,634 --> 00:06:46,205 (♪♪♪) 119 00:06:46,305 --> 00:06:50,676 (Indistinct whisperings) 120 00:06:55,081 --> 00:06:56,616 So I was grasping at straws, 121 00:06:56,716 --> 00:07:00,052 I was looking for any way to get rid of it. 122 00:07:04,123 --> 00:07:05,758 (Child laughs) 123 00:07:09,662 --> 00:07:11,731 Just lashed out one day. 124 00:07:11,831 --> 00:07:13,766 Show yourself! 125 00:07:15,001 --> 00:07:16,369 Show yourself! 126 00:07:19,739 --> 00:07:23,743 There stood a boy, about 4 or 5 years old, 127 00:07:23,843 --> 00:07:25,578 exactly what my son described. 128 00:07:25,678 --> 00:07:29,715 (♪♪♪) 129 00:07:29,816 --> 00:07:31,484 (Screams) 130 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,758 I just saw the kid that my son described as Eli. 131 00:07:38,858 --> 00:07:44,464 (♪♪♪) 132 00:07:44,564 --> 00:07:45,465 It just-- 133 00:07:45,565 --> 00:07:47,033 I'm thinking, "Is this possible? 134 00:07:47,133 --> 00:07:48,868 Is this even possible?" 135 00:07:48,968 --> 00:07:52,605 And I was so torn with it, 136 00:07:52,705 --> 00:07:54,941 I was so scared, 137 00:07:55,041 --> 00:07:56,976 so many questions unanswered. 138 00:07:57,076 --> 00:07:59,111 Um, 139 00:07:59,212 --> 00:08:01,781 I need to know who this kid is. 140 00:08:01,881 --> 00:08:06,152 I need to know why he's here and how did he die? 141 00:08:06,252 --> 00:08:10,289 Started looking at deed records for the property. 142 00:08:10,389 --> 00:08:13,793 The family that lived there in the 1860s and 1870s 143 00:08:13,893 --> 00:08:16,462 was in fact the Derenberger family. 144 00:08:16,562 --> 00:08:18,931 They had came here from Germany. 145 00:08:20,333 --> 00:08:22,835 They had 13 children. 146 00:08:25,238 --> 00:08:28,908 Noticed five of the children had died on the property... 147 00:08:30,443 --> 00:08:32,111 from being beat. 148 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,849 They had neck and head trauma. 149 00:08:39,385 --> 00:08:41,754 Started going through the children's names. 150 00:08:42,889 --> 00:08:45,191 Elijah Derenberger, 151 00:08:45,291 --> 00:08:48,394 went by Eli Derenberger. 152 00:08:48,494 --> 00:08:51,264 I was floored. 153 00:08:53,199 --> 00:08:55,835 I had, you know concrete evidence in front of me 154 00:08:55,935 --> 00:08:59,539 of what had actually happened on my property. 155 00:08:59,639 --> 00:09:02,642 Child spirits are more likely to stay earthbound 156 00:09:02,742 --> 00:09:04,477 after traumatic deaths such as a murder. 157 00:09:04,577 --> 00:09:06,979 Because they're not really sure where they are 158 00:09:07,079 --> 00:09:08,147 at the time of death 159 00:09:08,247 --> 00:09:10,683 and it's really difficult for them to cross over. 160 00:09:10,783 --> 00:09:12,985 They're not really sure of the process needed. 161 00:09:13,085 --> 00:09:14,987 Basically, child spirits are also still looking 162 00:09:15,087 --> 00:09:15,988 for their parents, 163 00:09:16,088 --> 00:09:17,223 they're looking for their loved ones. 164 00:09:17,323 --> 00:09:18,558 And when they cross over 165 00:09:18,658 --> 00:09:20,359 after traumatic deaths like that, 166 00:09:20,459 --> 00:09:21,961 they are unable to find their families. 167 00:09:22,061 --> 00:09:24,830 So often times they're wandering and looking for an answer 168 00:09:24,931 --> 00:09:27,233 or a solution on where their family is. 169 00:09:28,668 --> 00:09:30,369 Dealing with the spirit of little Eli 170 00:09:30,469 --> 00:09:32,605 had been traumatic enough for Mandy. 171 00:09:32,705 --> 00:09:34,307 But nothing could have prepared her 172 00:09:34,407 --> 00:09:36,042 for what happened next. 173 00:09:38,945 --> 00:09:42,715 My husband had went to work, son was at school, 174 00:09:42,815 --> 00:09:45,284 and I go into the bathroom to get a shower. 175 00:09:45,384 --> 00:10:05,304 (♪♪♪) 176 00:10:05,404 --> 00:10:08,307 (♪♪♪) 177 00:10:10,543 --> 00:10:19,085 (♪♪♪) 178 00:10:19,185 --> 00:10:21,621 Mandy Joyce had uncovered historical documents 179 00:10:21,721 --> 00:10:23,589 that appeared to prove the existence 180 00:10:23,689 --> 00:10:25,891 of her son's imaginary friend. 181 00:10:25,992 --> 00:10:27,393 Show yourself! 182 00:10:30,930 --> 00:10:32,131 (Screams) 183 00:10:32,231 --> 00:10:34,834 But things were about to get worse. 184 00:10:34,934 --> 00:10:37,036 I go into the bathroom to get a shower. 185 00:10:41,007 --> 00:10:44,810 Spirit's knocking stuff off the bathroom shelves. 186 00:10:48,180 --> 00:10:50,149 And I just kept getting more fear-- 187 00:10:50,249 --> 00:10:51,584 Just I was so scared. 188 00:10:55,454 --> 00:10:57,790 I was praying, I was praying to God. 189 00:10:57,890 --> 00:11:00,359 I was like, "God just get me through this." 190 00:11:03,929 --> 00:11:07,633 And there stands the silhouette of this man. 191 00:11:09,835 --> 00:11:12,805 He had a big tall hat, but he was all black. 192 00:11:12,905 --> 00:11:33,092 (♪♪♪) 193 00:11:33,192 --> 00:11:35,795 (Screams) 194 00:11:37,930 --> 00:11:41,734 And I throw my hair up in a towel, 195 00:11:41,834 --> 00:11:44,170 I throw on some pajama bottoms, 196 00:11:44,270 --> 00:11:47,106 and he drove me out of my house that day. 197 00:11:47,206 --> 00:11:49,275 When somebody leaves a home or abandons their house, 198 00:11:49,375 --> 00:11:50,910 because there's a haunting going on, 199 00:11:51,010 --> 00:11:52,878 it's possible that the spirit kinda gains power 200 00:11:52,978 --> 00:11:54,280 from that situation. 201 00:11:54,380 --> 00:11:55,548 Um, at least psychologically, 202 00:11:55,648 --> 00:11:57,650 they feel that they've won in that scenario. 203 00:11:57,750 --> 00:11:59,218 It's believed that the best thing to do 204 00:11:59,318 --> 00:12:01,554 when you have a haunting is to stay in the home, 205 00:12:01,654 --> 00:12:04,290 not to surrender your property and your life to the spirit, 206 00:12:04,390 --> 00:12:07,026 but to confront that and perform a house blessing 207 00:12:07,126 --> 00:12:08,561 and remove the haunting. 208 00:12:09,862 --> 00:12:11,030 I went to my friend's house 209 00:12:11,130 --> 00:12:16,135 and I was scared, I cried all the way into town. 210 00:12:17,770 --> 00:12:20,172 And she said, "You need to cleanse." 211 00:12:20,272 --> 00:12:23,576 She said, "Get a hold of Jackie, you need to cleanse ASAP." 212 00:12:23,676 --> 00:12:25,010 When I go into a place, 213 00:12:25,111 --> 00:12:27,279 sometimes like pictures pop into my head. 214 00:12:27,379 --> 00:12:29,048 And I just would see like certain things 215 00:12:29,148 --> 00:12:31,050 whenever I'd walk through her house. 216 00:12:34,653 --> 00:12:37,757 The energy just hits you, it was so heavy. 217 00:12:37,857 --> 00:12:41,794 And just you can tell that there was something-- 218 00:12:41,894 --> 00:12:43,562 You always felt like something was watching you. 219 00:12:43,662 --> 00:12:44,997 Or if you walked around a corner, 220 00:12:45,097 --> 00:12:46,766 something was gonna pop out at you. 221 00:12:47,833 --> 00:12:49,902 She told me that there was a man. 222 00:12:50,002 --> 00:12:52,538 You know, you could tell that that man was not nice. 223 00:12:52,638 --> 00:12:54,840 The father was not a good person. 224 00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:59,311 That was very stern and ruled with an iron fist. 225 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:03,015 She smudged with smoke. 226 00:13:03,115 --> 00:13:07,219 We went to every room, every corner of the house. 227 00:13:07,319 --> 00:13:09,021 And as we moved through the house, 228 00:13:09,121 --> 00:13:12,057 it just got heavier and heavier, the energy. 229 00:13:12,158 --> 00:13:14,293 And once we moved 230 00:13:14,393 --> 00:13:17,062 from the upstairs to the downstairs, 231 00:13:17,163 --> 00:13:19,665 I could feel him there- I knew he was down there. 232 00:13:19,765 --> 00:13:22,368 And once we got down there, I just wanted to warn him, 233 00:13:22,468 --> 00:13:25,638 let him know this is what's happening. 234 00:13:25,738 --> 00:13:29,542 He's somewhere around here and he's not happy that-- 235 00:13:29,642 --> 00:13:31,710 He's pissed that we're doing this. 236 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,919 I saw this black, the same black wispy mist 237 00:13:40,019 --> 00:13:43,289 that I saw in this figure in my bathroom. 238 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:48,127 And the whole time, 239 00:13:48,227 --> 00:13:49,895 I'm just saying the Lord's prayer. 240 00:13:49,995 --> 00:13:52,498 I'm saying a prayer over my home, 241 00:13:52,598 --> 00:13:54,967 I'm saying a prayer over my son and my husband. 242 00:13:57,937 --> 00:14:01,006 I saw it lunge out, like as a hand. 243 00:14:01,106 --> 00:14:08,681 (♪♪♪) 244 00:14:08,781 --> 00:14:13,786 I had her help me to yell at it, tell it it's leaving now. 245 00:14:16,789 --> 00:14:19,291 And then finally it just... 246 00:14:23,195 --> 00:14:24,129 ...pooh! 247 00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:25,264 It's like a bubble pops. 248 00:14:25,364 --> 00:14:27,066 And it just lifts, everything lifts 249 00:14:27,166 --> 00:14:28,968 and it's very light. 250 00:14:29,068 --> 00:14:32,504 And everything is just gone and quiet. 251 00:14:32,605 --> 00:14:35,507 I learned that spirits are very real, 252 00:14:35,608 --> 00:14:38,143 that not all spirits are nice. 253 00:14:38,244 --> 00:14:40,746 I learned that if you think it's there, 254 00:14:40,846 --> 00:14:42,081 you're not crazy. 255 00:14:44,817 --> 00:14:48,120 It may be hard to believe, but Mandy got away lightly. 256 00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:50,856 At least the ghost, of a murdered child in her home, 257 00:14:50,956 --> 00:14:54,126 did not psychically harm Mandy or her family. 258 00:14:54,226 --> 00:14:58,597 Frank Madrid cannot say the same of his experience. 259 00:15:04,436 --> 00:15:05,671 Take! 260 00:15:05,771 --> 00:15:13,245 (♪♪♪) 261 00:15:13,345 --> 00:15:17,950 Because my dad was in the navy, we ended up in National City. 262 00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:22,888 National City is a city that's close to San Diego, 263 00:15:22,988 --> 00:15:26,225 kinda like Victorian houses, but small. 264 00:15:26,325 --> 00:15:30,629 And you know everything there I remember, was just old. 265 00:15:30,729 --> 00:15:32,898 It had a good creep factor to it. 266 00:15:38,070 --> 00:15:39,705 One day I was riding my bike 267 00:15:39,805 --> 00:15:42,708 and I saw this little boy of this house 268 00:15:42,808 --> 00:15:44,476 that was on the corner. 269 00:15:44,576 --> 00:15:46,378 So I just rode over there and said hi to him 270 00:15:46,478 --> 00:15:47,646 and we started talking. 271 00:15:47,746 --> 00:15:52,551 And he was kind of lonely and scared. 272 00:15:52,651 --> 00:15:55,454 He was very quiet, very introverted. 273 00:15:57,256 --> 00:16:01,293 The house that he lived in, all the doors were boarded up. 274 00:16:01,393 --> 00:16:02,594 It was kind of strange, 275 00:16:02,695 --> 00:16:04,663 we didn't really think anything of it. 276 00:16:04,763 --> 00:16:07,833 And then to hear the laughter of this little kid. 277 00:16:07,933 --> 00:16:11,003 (Laughing) 278 00:16:11,103 --> 00:16:18,177 (♪♪♪) 279 00:16:20,012 --> 00:16:28,721 (♪♪♪) 280 00:16:28,821 --> 00:16:30,255 In 1967, 281 00:16:30,356 --> 00:16:33,158 Frank Madrid's family had just moved to a new city. 282 00:16:33,258 --> 00:16:35,260 Making friends after you're moving around a lot 283 00:16:35,361 --> 00:16:36,695 is uh-- 284 00:16:36,795 --> 00:16:39,598 It's kind of hit and miss. 285 00:16:39,698 --> 00:16:43,168 Our father was in the navy and we moved around. 286 00:16:43,268 --> 00:16:44,770 Um, Frank was born 287 00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:47,172 on the other side of the country, in Virginia. 288 00:16:47,272 --> 00:16:49,641 I had no friends in the neighbourhood. 289 00:16:49,742 --> 00:16:52,111 One day I was riding my bike 290 00:16:52,211 --> 00:16:55,180 and I saw this little boy of this house 291 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:56,982 that was on the corner. 292 00:16:57,082 --> 00:16:58,817 So I just rode over there and said hi to him 293 00:16:58,917 --> 00:17:00,753 and we started talking. 294 00:17:00,853 --> 00:17:02,621 I thought he was a friendly kid, 295 00:17:02,721 --> 00:17:06,725 I thought he was kind of lonely and scared 296 00:17:06,825 --> 00:17:08,260 for some reason. 297 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:11,930 He was very quiet, very introverted. 298 00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:14,099 Said our goodbyes, I went back home. 299 00:17:14,199 --> 00:17:20,672 (♪♪♪) 300 00:17:20,773 --> 00:17:21,974 And the next day, I'm riding my bike 301 00:17:22,074 --> 00:17:24,176 and I see him again, so went over 302 00:17:24,276 --> 00:17:26,011 and start talking to him. 303 00:17:26,111 --> 00:17:29,448 Our father was gone a lot and everyone else 304 00:17:29,548 --> 00:17:31,216 was younger than he was. 305 00:17:31,316 --> 00:17:35,154 So he kind of latched onto the first friend 306 00:17:35,254 --> 00:17:36,488 that he could make. 307 00:17:36,588 --> 00:17:39,391 Wanting so desperately to have somebody 308 00:17:39,491 --> 00:17:41,894 to socialize with, to play with. 309 00:17:41,994 --> 00:17:43,462 You know, 310 00:17:43,562 --> 00:17:46,632 I believe it got very intense very quickly. 311 00:17:46,732 --> 00:17:49,668 And after a while of talking to him a few days, 312 00:17:49,768 --> 00:17:51,003 you know he started lightening up 313 00:17:51,103 --> 00:17:54,006 and you know, we'd make each other laugh. 314 00:17:54,106 --> 00:17:56,041 And you know, it was kind of like 315 00:17:56,141 --> 00:17:58,977 a normal child relationship you know? 316 00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:01,647 We would play and laugh. 317 00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:03,482 Frank enjoyed having a new friend, 318 00:18:03,582 --> 00:18:06,819 even one who seemed a little strange. 319 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:08,787 I never saw him pick up anything. 320 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:13,625 He would just use his fingers for guns and stuff 321 00:18:13,725 --> 00:18:16,895 and I had plastic ones and he never would touch those. 322 00:18:19,031 --> 00:18:21,400 There were some times where I'd bring some toys over, 323 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:22,568 so we could play, 324 00:18:22,668 --> 00:18:24,736 but he would never ever grab any of 'em. 325 00:18:24,837 --> 00:18:26,138 He wouldn't play with them. 326 00:18:28,941 --> 00:18:30,576 He just seemed to be kind of scared, 327 00:18:30,676 --> 00:18:32,144 that-- you know, I think he was-- 328 00:18:32,244 --> 00:18:34,746 It almost kind of seemed like he was afraid 329 00:18:34,847 --> 00:18:38,650 that his parents would find out that he was playing with me 330 00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:40,119 or my toys. 331 00:18:40,219 --> 00:18:42,688 So that's kind of impression that I got from him. 332 00:18:42,788 --> 00:18:44,490 But being as young as I was, 333 00:18:44,590 --> 00:18:47,025 I really didn't pay attention to it, 334 00:18:47,126 --> 00:18:49,661 because I didn't wanna lose my friend. 335 00:18:49,761 --> 00:18:52,631 You know, I didn't wanna cause any kind of problems. 336 00:18:52,731 --> 00:18:53,966 Nevertheless, 337 00:18:54,066 --> 00:18:56,201 it was becoming increasingly obvious to Frank 338 00:18:56,301 --> 00:18:58,570 that his new friend had something to hide. 339 00:18:58,670 --> 00:19:01,173 You know, you get tired, and you work up a sweat, 340 00:19:01,273 --> 00:19:02,708 and get hot and thirsty, 341 00:19:02,808 --> 00:19:05,010 and you know, just nonchalantly, 342 00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:06,879 "Hey, can you get a drink of water?" 343 00:19:08,180 --> 00:19:09,715 "No." 344 00:19:12,551 --> 00:19:14,987 "Why can't I have a drink of water?" 345 00:19:15,087 --> 00:19:17,322 "Well, you can't go in the house." 346 00:19:17,422 --> 00:19:19,558 "Well, why can't I go in the house?" 347 00:19:19,658 --> 00:19:20,993 "Because my parents 348 00:19:21,093 --> 00:19:24,530 aren't allowing anybody in the house." 349 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:27,466 I go, "Well, can you go get me a drink of water?" 350 00:19:27,566 --> 00:19:29,968 "No." 351 00:19:30,068 --> 00:19:31,703 "Well, why not?" 352 00:19:31,803 --> 00:19:34,072 "'Cause I can't go in the house right now." 353 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,842 So you know, 354 00:19:36,942 --> 00:19:39,711 this is really confusing to a little kid. 355 00:19:39,811 --> 00:19:41,213 You know I want a drink of water, 356 00:19:41,313 --> 00:19:42,681 you won't get it for me. 357 00:19:42,781 --> 00:19:45,150 You know, you kind of get a little upset. 358 00:19:45,250 --> 00:19:46,351 "Well, I'm gonna go home 359 00:19:46,451 --> 00:19:48,754 and I'm gonna get my own drink of water." 360 00:19:48,854 --> 00:19:50,389 The argument over the glass of water 361 00:19:50,489 --> 00:19:53,192 had an immediate impact on the boys' friendship. 362 00:19:54,693 --> 00:19:56,728 Things did change after that. 363 00:19:58,163 --> 00:20:01,066 He was more withdrawn into himself. 364 00:20:01,166 --> 00:20:03,602 And he didn't really laugh anymore. 365 00:20:03,702 --> 00:20:07,539 We couldn't just have fun, like we were having fun before. 366 00:20:08,807 --> 00:20:12,077 One day, went over there to play 367 00:20:12,177 --> 00:20:14,813 and you know-- 368 00:20:14,913 --> 00:20:17,482 So the first time in a long time he was excited, 369 00:20:17,583 --> 00:20:21,086 'cause he told me, "I found something." 370 00:20:21,186 --> 00:20:22,788 "Well, what'd you find?" 371 00:20:22,888 --> 00:20:25,457 "Well, I found an axe over here." 372 00:20:25,557 --> 00:20:28,060 So we went over there and he showed me 373 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,862 where he found this old small hatchet. 374 00:20:34,533 --> 00:20:37,302 And I remember it being just you know, 375 00:20:37,402 --> 00:20:39,638 really old and ancient, and rusty, 376 00:20:39,738 --> 00:20:43,075 and just laying there half buried in the dirt. 377 00:20:43,175 --> 00:20:44,676 He told me you know, "Pick it up, 378 00:20:44,776 --> 00:20:45,978 let's go chop something." 379 00:20:46,078 --> 00:20:47,946 I said, "No, I'm not gonna pick it up." 380 00:20:48,046 --> 00:20:50,048 And he kind of got upset 381 00:20:50,148 --> 00:20:52,217 and he was, you know really forceful. 382 00:20:52,317 --> 00:20:53,385 We picked the thing up, 383 00:20:53,485 --> 00:20:54,820 "Let's go over here and chop some wood." 384 00:20:56,355 --> 00:20:59,391 To appease his request, I was like, okay, pick it up. 385 00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:06,898 And followed him over to this little log 386 00:21:06,999 --> 00:21:08,166 that was laying there. 387 00:21:10,736 --> 00:21:12,904 And he's telling me to chop it 388 00:21:13,005 --> 00:21:16,241 and I'm thinking, "I better not, you know? 389 00:21:16,341 --> 00:21:17,676 Why don't you chop? 390 00:21:17,776 --> 00:21:19,344 He goes, "I can't." 391 00:21:21,179 --> 00:21:22,547 "Well, why can't you?" 392 00:21:22,648 --> 00:21:24,483 "I just can't." 393 00:21:25,784 --> 00:21:28,453 So I said, "Alright, I'll chop it." 394 00:21:28,553 --> 00:21:31,423 So I got the axe and... 395 00:21:31,523 --> 00:21:43,235 (♪♪♪) 396 00:21:45,170 --> 00:21:53,879 (♪♪♪) 397 00:21:53,979 --> 00:21:57,115 It was 1967 in National City, California 398 00:21:57,215 --> 00:21:59,751 when young Frank Madrid made a new friend. 399 00:21:59,851 --> 00:22:03,355 But his new buddy had started acting very oddly. 400 00:22:04,956 --> 00:22:05,957 "Why don't you chop?" 401 00:22:06,058 --> 00:22:07,592 He goes, "I can't." 402 00:22:07,693 --> 00:22:08,994 "Well, why can't you?" 403 00:22:09,094 --> 00:22:10,862 "I just can't." 404 00:22:12,297 --> 00:22:15,033 So I said, "Alright, I'll chop it." 405 00:22:15,133 --> 00:22:16,735 So I got the axe and... 406 00:22:16,835 --> 00:22:29,748 (♪♪♪) 407 00:22:29,848 --> 00:22:34,519 The tip of the axe hit the dirt, and the gravel, and the wood 408 00:22:34,619 --> 00:22:38,423 and I had some gravel fly up into my eye. 409 00:22:38,523 --> 00:22:40,492 Immediately, everything went white 410 00:22:40,592 --> 00:22:42,060 with big blobs of red. 411 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:46,631 I ran home screaming, 412 00:22:46,732 --> 00:22:49,034 because I couldn't see out of my eye anymore. 413 00:22:49,134 --> 00:22:52,170 The one thing that I remember that I won't ever forget 414 00:22:52,270 --> 00:22:56,742 was the horrible laughter, that he was laughing 415 00:22:56,842 --> 00:22:58,210 when I was running home screaming. 416 00:22:58,310 --> 00:23:02,314 (Laughing) 417 00:23:09,721 --> 00:23:11,923 And that laughter followed me all the way home. 418 00:23:14,126 --> 00:23:15,060 When I got home, 419 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,528 my folks took me to the hospital. 420 00:23:16,628 --> 00:23:21,500 And I'd had 9 major operations on it 421 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,802 and four minor ones after that. 422 00:23:23,902 --> 00:23:26,004 They didn't have the technology that they do these days, 423 00:23:26,104 --> 00:23:29,007 so they really couldn't have reattach the retina. 424 00:23:29,107 --> 00:23:31,877 The incident left Frank blind in his right eye 425 00:23:31,977 --> 00:23:33,845 for the rest of his life. 426 00:23:33,945 --> 00:23:36,915 Are you comfortable taking your glasses off 427 00:23:37,015 --> 00:23:39,618 and talking about it, 'cause I'm-- 428 00:23:39,718 --> 00:23:42,687 I can't see you, but there I am. 429 00:23:42,788 --> 00:23:45,524 So um... 430 00:23:47,125 --> 00:23:49,861 ...they were this. 431 00:23:49,961 --> 00:23:50,929 Plastic. 432 00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:52,330 (Laughs) 433 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:57,035 (♪♪♪) 434 00:23:57,135 --> 00:24:00,572 When I would hear about Frank's accident, 435 00:24:00,672 --> 00:24:04,075 it always was centred around this boy on the corner. 436 00:24:04,176 --> 00:24:07,012 I mean there's just so many things 437 00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:08,613 that I couldn't understand at the time, 438 00:24:08,713 --> 00:24:10,382 because I was too young. 439 00:24:12,184 --> 00:24:16,154 And you think back about things that happened. 440 00:24:16,254 --> 00:24:19,291 The clothing that he wore, red and white striped shirt, 441 00:24:19,391 --> 00:24:21,493 blue jeans rolled up at the cuffs, 442 00:24:21,593 --> 00:24:23,728 and the black piped pop tennis shoes 443 00:24:23,829 --> 00:24:25,630 with the white balls on the side. 444 00:24:27,232 --> 00:24:28,300 This kid, 445 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,968 in all the days that I've seen him, 446 00:24:30,068 --> 00:24:31,803 was wearing the same clothes he wore all the time. 447 00:24:31,903 --> 00:24:38,877 (♪♪♪) 448 00:24:38,977 --> 00:24:42,247 The house that he lived in, nobody lives there. 449 00:24:45,450 --> 00:24:47,018 It's abandoned. 450 00:24:48,386 --> 00:24:49,488 My childhood friend, 451 00:24:49,588 --> 00:24:52,657 this kid that nobody else could see but me, 452 00:24:52,757 --> 00:24:54,693 was a spirit kid. 453 00:24:54,793 --> 00:25:05,704 (♪♪♪) 454 00:25:05,804 --> 00:25:07,105 Children haven't been conditioned 455 00:25:07,205 --> 00:25:08,807 by their parents or society 456 00:25:08,907 --> 00:25:11,276 to not believe in the paranormal. 457 00:25:11,376 --> 00:25:12,744 Well, it's part of their reality, basically. 458 00:25:12,844 --> 00:25:13,945 Child spirits, 459 00:25:14,045 --> 00:25:16,414 when they're dealing with human children 460 00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:19,084 really come across as valid and legitimate. 461 00:25:19,184 --> 00:25:21,319 They don't seem to be a sprit and the children 462 00:25:21,419 --> 00:25:23,655 are very open-minded and accepting of them. 463 00:25:23,755 --> 00:25:24,890 He was very open to it. 464 00:25:24,990 --> 00:25:26,324 He was, 465 00:25:26,424 --> 00:25:28,260 I mean I don't wanna use the word "desperate", 466 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:29,427 because it sounds negative. 467 00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:31,630 But in this situation, it makes sense 468 00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:33,565 that he was desperate to make a friend, 469 00:25:33,665 --> 00:25:35,267 to have some kind of companionship there, 470 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:37,669 in a place where he knew nobody. 471 00:25:37,769 --> 00:25:42,040 I think the little boy died in that house 472 00:25:42,140 --> 00:25:46,444 and I think the parents were so distraught about it 473 00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:48,513 that they moved away. 474 00:25:48,613 --> 00:25:50,715 And his energy is still there, he's soul, his spirit, 475 00:25:50,815 --> 00:25:52,684 however you wanna say it. 476 00:25:52,784 --> 00:25:54,819 So he went to what was familiar 477 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,755 and what was familiar was that house. 478 00:26:00,926 --> 00:26:02,127 And I never went back to the house, 479 00:26:02,227 --> 00:26:04,563 to his house to see if he was there or not. 480 00:26:04,663 --> 00:26:07,499 Um, I wanted to stay away from that place, 481 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:10,302 I didn't want nothing to do with him or anything. 482 00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:12,137 I mean that laughter was still in my head. 483 00:26:12,237 --> 00:26:13,738 And there's no way that-- 484 00:26:13,838 --> 00:26:16,174 To this day, I can't forget it. 485 00:26:16,274 --> 00:26:19,477 (Laughing) 486 00:26:20,645 --> 00:26:21,746 Many years later, 487 00:26:21,846 --> 00:26:24,215 Frank had another paranormal encounter. 488 00:26:24,316 --> 00:26:34,826 (♪♪♪) 489 00:26:34,926 --> 00:26:37,696 It seemed like we had met before. 490 00:26:37,796 --> 00:26:40,966 I go to talk to him and as I'm talking to him... 491 00:26:45,637 --> 00:26:48,506 ...he starts to fade and I can see through him 492 00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:51,676 and then he just vanishes right before my eyes. 493 00:26:51,776 --> 00:26:53,678 Just gone. 494 00:26:53,778 --> 00:26:54,946 Very well could be 495 00:26:55,046 --> 00:26:58,483 the little boy on the corner as a man. 496 00:26:58,583 --> 00:27:01,286 It's possible that the child spirit aged somehow 497 00:27:01,386 --> 00:27:03,922 on the other side and returned to visit him 498 00:27:04,022 --> 00:27:06,424 to show him that you know, here I am, 499 00:27:06,524 --> 00:27:07,692 I've grown up with you 500 00:27:07,792 --> 00:27:09,594 and it's good to see you again type of scenario. 501 00:27:09,694 --> 00:27:12,364 But it's also possible that that child sprit 502 00:27:12,464 --> 00:27:13,798 maybe had another spirit 503 00:27:13,898 --> 00:27:15,567 go and visit him in an adult form, 504 00:27:15,667 --> 00:27:17,202 because it was more socially acceptable 505 00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:19,170 or understandable. 506 00:27:19,270 --> 00:27:20,672 This gentleman was just standing there, 507 00:27:20,772 --> 00:27:23,274 in the middle of the road there. 508 00:27:24,576 --> 00:27:27,045 And looking directly at Frank. 509 00:27:27,145 --> 00:27:29,314 There was some knowledge of who he was. 510 00:27:29,414 --> 00:27:32,484 Since their childhood friendship was so intense, 511 00:27:32,584 --> 00:27:35,053 that there would've been more. 512 00:27:35,153 --> 00:27:37,756 If the axe incident was intentional, 513 00:27:37,856 --> 00:27:40,058 I would expect that person to say, "Gotcha." 514 00:27:40,158 --> 00:27:42,727 And if it was unintentional and if it was just a fluke, 515 00:27:42,827 --> 00:27:44,863 then I would also expect to say, 516 00:27:44,963 --> 00:27:47,465 "I'm really sorry, that that happened to you." 517 00:27:47,565 --> 00:27:49,634 And not just faded away as he got close. 518 00:27:50,702 --> 00:27:52,904 There's just too much unfinished business there. 519 00:27:53,004 --> 00:27:54,706 That's kind of an evil thing to do. 520 00:27:55,974 --> 00:27:58,810 Frank will never forget this episode of his life. 521 00:27:58,910 --> 00:28:02,447 His injury reminds him of his ghostly friend every day. 522 00:28:02,547 --> 00:28:04,182 (Laughing) 523 00:28:04,282 --> 00:28:07,852 When people tell you ghosts can hurt you, 524 00:28:07,952 --> 00:28:11,556 they can cause, in effect, harm to you. 525 00:28:11,656 --> 00:28:14,259 That'll haunt me for you know, as long as I live. 526 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,127 It's just something like that. 527 00:28:16,227 --> 00:28:21,433 (♪♪♪) 528 00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:23,501 The presence of the spirits of dead children 529 00:28:23,601 --> 00:28:25,403 should never be ignored, 530 00:28:25,503 --> 00:28:27,706 they are often the first sign that a portal 531 00:28:27,806 --> 00:28:30,775 to the spirits world has been opened. 532 00:28:36,414 --> 00:28:37,515 Number 1. 533 00:28:37,615 --> 00:28:47,959 (♪♪♪) 534 00:28:48,059 --> 00:28:51,029 My husband had lost his job due to a back injury. 535 00:28:51,129 --> 00:28:55,033 I was diagnosed a long time ago with Crohn's disease, 536 00:28:55,133 --> 00:28:58,436 but I'd gotten really sick, couldn't work anymore. 537 00:28:58,536 --> 00:29:00,105 We needed a place to stay, 538 00:29:00,205 --> 00:29:02,707 so we decided we'd take the house. 539 00:29:02,807 --> 00:29:06,711 It used to be what they called, "veteran's housing." 540 00:29:06,811 --> 00:29:10,482 We had our first son together, his name is Jordan. 541 00:29:10,582 --> 00:29:15,186 When we moved into the house, the first thing I remember is 542 00:29:15,286 --> 00:29:17,989 we couldn't get our mattress up the stairs. 543 00:29:18,089 --> 00:29:19,591 It was too narrow of an area. 544 00:29:19,691 --> 00:29:21,960 We had to sleep all on the sofa bed. 545 00:29:24,629 --> 00:29:28,633 I woke up to smelling like flowers, like roses. 546 00:29:32,036 --> 00:29:34,773 I'm a Christian and it was always said that 547 00:29:34,873 --> 00:29:38,743 if you smell flowers or roses, it could be the Holy Spirit. 548 00:29:38,843 --> 00:29:41,312 So I tried to maybe think it was something like that, 549 00:29:41,412 --> 00:29:44,616 but it didn't feel refreshing. 550 00:29:44,716 --> 00:29:46,718 Because it smelt more like when you go to a funeral home, 551 00:29:46,818 --> 00:29:47,752 like death. 552 00:29:47,852 --> 00:29:55,960 (♪♪♪) 553 00:29:56,060 --> 00:29:57,695 It reminded me of death. 554 00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:15,413 (♪♪♪) 555 00:30:15,513 --> 00:30:17,482 It was very uneasy. 556 00:30:17,582 --> 00:30:19,184 Um, it was uneasy 557 00:30:19,284 --> 00:30:21,452 that I made the statement all the time that, 558 00:30:21,553 --> 00:30:23,087 "I don't feel like this is our home." 559 00:30:24,823 --> 00:30:26,024 I can't put my finger on, 560 00:30:26,124 --> 00:30:28,660 I just couldn't figure it out what it was about the house. 561 00:30:33,398 --> 00:30:35,366 The family had not been living in the house long 562 00:30:35,466 --> 00:30:36,534 before Dawn noticed 563 00:30:36,634 --> 00:30:39,571 Jordan was displaying some disturbing behaviour. 564 00:30:39,671 --> 00:30:44,342 Jordan was playing on the stairs inside the hallway, 565 00:30:44,442 --> 00:30:48,746 at the bottom of the stairs was a rocking chair. 566 00:30:50,114 --> 00:30:53,618 Jordan got in the chair and would swing back and forth, 567 00:30:53,718 --> 00:30:56,454 and say, "Baby hurt, baby hurt." 568 00:30:56,554 --> 00:30:59,257 (Baby hurt, baby hurt) 569 00:30:59,357 --> 00:31:00,391 Over and over again, 570 00:31:00,491 --> 00:31:02,493 and I'd say, "Jordan, what do you mean by that?" 571 00:31:02,594 --> 00:31:05,029 (Baby hurt, baby hurt) 572 00:31:05,129 --> 00:31:07,432 And he said, "The baby got hurt." 573 00:31:07,532 --> 00:31:08,566 He said, "Yeah, 574 00:31:08,666 --> 00:31:09,901 there's a little girl standing there 575 00:31:10,001 --> 00:31:11,302 at the top of the stairs." 576 00:31:11,402 --> 00:31:15,974 (♪♪♪) 577 00:31:16,074 --> 00:31:18,142 And I had no idea what he was talking about. 578 00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:21,980 (Baby hurt, baby hurt) 579 00:31:23,047 --> 00:31:25,884 And I said, "I don't see her." 580 00:31:25,984 --> 00:31:28,086 He said, "Look mama, there's Ally." 581 00:31:31,456 --> 00:31:35,393 Ally was my neighbour's daughter that passed away. 582 00:31:37,362 --> 00:31:39,664 I had heard about my neighbour's daughter 583 00:31:39,764 --> 00:31:42,333 probably about a month after living there. 584 00:31:42,433 --> 00:31:45,670 She had died at 4- she was only 4 years old. 585 00:31:45,770 --> 00:31:48,740 It was just some sort of weird virus and medication, 586 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,576 but she had died in the house. 587 00:31:51,676 --> 00:31:54,279 Jordan did not know who she was or her name. 588 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,148 (Baby hurt, baby hurt) 589 00:31:57,248 --> 00:31:58,283 There was no way that he knew, 590 00:31:58,383 --> 00:32:00,084 but that wasn't the first time he'd told me things 591 00:32:00,184 --> 00:32:02,186 that there was no way he could possibly know. 592 00:32:07,492 --> 00:32:09,460 With Jordan's behaviour on her mind, 593 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,896 Dawn confided in a new friend. 594 00:32:11,996 --> 00:32:15,934 She had ended up telling me that she was into witchcraft. 595 00:32:16,034 --> 00:32:17,068 She started to say me, 596 00:32:17,168 --> 00:32:18,870 "Well, maybe if you used tarot cards, 597 00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:20,505 you can get some answers." 598 00:32:20,605 --> 00:32:23,207 She gave me a book and she gave me the cards 599 00:32:23,308 --> 00:32:25,510 and I took them home and I started playing with them. 600 00:32:30,348 --> 00:32:32,850 I would ask questions to the cards. 601 00:32:35,753 --> 00:32:38,289 I just kept wondering if you know 602 00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:41,759 he was really seeing Ally, what he was really seeing. 603 00:32:41,859 --> 00:32:47,465 (♪♪♪) 604 00:32:47,565 --> 00:32:50,034 It can be dangerous for people to use spiritual divination, 605 00:32:50,134 --> 00:32:52,837 tools such as tarot if they don't have the knowledge 606 00:32:52,937 --> 00:32:55,473 or know how to use these items. 607 00:32:55,573 --> 00:32:58,409 You can open doorways, hauntings can begin, 608 00:32:58,509 --> 00:33:01,412 entities can come through and actually attach themselves 609 00:33:01,512 --> 00:33:04,349 to the people that are using these tools. 610 00:33:04,449 --> 00:33:06,250 Dawn's dabbling with the tarot cards 611 00:33:06,351 --> 00:33:08,720 seemed to make the situation worse. 612 00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:09,988 With Jordan, 613 00:33:10,088 --> 00:33:12,256 his room was very uncomfortable for everybody. 614 00:33:12,357 --> 00:33:13,925 Nobody could stay in that room. 615 00:33:15,326 --> 00:33:17,195 (Floor creaking) 616 00:33:17,295 --> 00:33:19,330 Jordan didn't want to sleep in that room. 617 00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:22,400 (Floor creaking) 618 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,102 One time he told me he saw a whole family, 619 00:33:24,202 --> 00:33:27,038 it was a mother, a son, and a daughter 620 00:33:27,138 --> 00:33:29,040 with bullet wounds in their head. 621 00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:35,913 (♪♪♪) 622 00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:37,949 And then all of a sudden, all those were gone 623 00:33:38,049 --> 00:33:40,418 and the only there was one he called, "the man". 624 00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:49,027 (♪♪♪) 625 00:33:51,629 --> 00:33:59,837 (♪♪♪) 626 00:33:59,937 --> 00:34:02,373 Dawn Pierce's family had moved into a new home 627 00:34:02,473 --> 00:34:03,408 and immediately 628 00:34:03,508 --> 00:34:05,676 started experiencing paranormal activity. 629 00:34:06,844 --> 00:34:07,812 Dawn's young son 630 00:34:07,912 --> 00:34:10,248 had started seeing the ghost of a child. 631 00:34:10,348 --> 00:34:12,450 (Baby hurt, baby hurt) 632 00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:15,987 Then he started seeing other phantoms in his bedroom. 633 00:34:16,087 --> 00:34:17,688 One time he told me he saw a whole family, 634 00:34:17,789 --> 00:34:20,725 it was a mother, a son, and a daughter 635 00:34:20,825 --> 00:34:22,894 with bullet wounds in their head. 636 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:27,665 And then all of a sudden all those were gone 637 00:34:27,765 --> 00:34:30,301 and the only one there was one he called, "the man". 638 00:34:30,401 --> 00:34:35,807 (♪♪♪) 639 00:34:35,907 --> 00:34:38,209 And the man wasn't very nice. 640 00:34:38,309 --> 00:34:39,644 And the man said some terrible things 641 00:34:39,744 --> 00:34:42,847 and the man told him to tell me horrific things. 642 00:34:47,452 --> 00:34:48,753 He says the man told me to tell you, 643 00:34:48,853 --> 00:34:50,888 "As long as you live here, he's gonna keep you sick 644 00:34:50,988 --> 00:34:52,557 and make sure you stay sick." 645 00:34:57,028 --> 00:34:59,664 My husband said, "Why don't you throw a recorder 646 00:34:59,764 --> 00:35:02,433 in Jordan's room and see what you get." 647 00:35:02,533 --> 00:35:04,402 So I said, "Okay, that's a good idea." 648 00:35:04,502 --> 00:35:06,971 I put the recorder in the room, nobody was home 649 00:35:07,071 --> 00:35:08,606 and I put it on top a bible. 650 00:35:12,610 --> 00:35:13,511 And when I went 651 00:35:13,611 --> 00:35:16,314 and I rewinded my recorder and listened, 652 00:35:16,414 --> 00:35:19,750 I heard the worst, I can't even-- 653 00:35:19,851 --> 00:35:21,185 It still plays-- 654 00:35:21,285 --> 00:35:22,753 It was like the most bloodcurdling thing 655 00:35:22,854 --> 00:35:24,222 I heard it say. 656 00:35:28,392 --> 00:35:30,995 It was just like the most evilest thing 657 00:35:31,095 --> 00:35:31,996 I've ever heard, 658 00:35:32,096 --> 00:35:34,632 like it's engraved in my brain to this day. 659 00:35:34,732 --> 00:35:36,300 It was scary, because I'm thinking, 660 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,202 "What did I do to open these doors?" 661 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,374 Terrified, 662 00:35:43,474 --> 00:35:46,210 Dawn started looking into ways of protecting her family. 663 00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:49,247 I just kind of learned about some prayers of protection. 664 00:35:49,347 --> 00:35:51,048 And one of them was Psalm 91. 665 00:35:52,817 --> 00:35:54,285 My son was taking a bath. 666 00:36:02,026 --> 00:36:03,027 And all of a sudden, 667 00:36:03,127 --> 00:36:04,395 it was like his eyes looked different, 668 00:36:04,495 --> 00:36:06,230 like he looked sinister. 669 00:36:09,367 --> 00:36:11,402 And he seemed to get like super strong. 670 00:36:11,502 --> 00:36:14,572 And I knew it wasn't him. 671 00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:27,351 (♪♪♪) 672 00:36:27,451 --> 00:36:29,620 The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not walk. 673 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:32,990 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures. 674 00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:35,259 (Screams) 675 00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:38,763 So I opened the bible and I started reading Psalm 91. 676 00:36:38,863 --> 00:36:40,131 As I did, 677 00:36:40,231 --> 00:36:41,799 he started thrashing around the tub 678 00:36:41,899 --> 00:36:44,402 and he's like, "You shut up, you dumb whore, bitch." 679 00:36:44,502 --> 00:36:45,937 Called me all kinds of names. 680 00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:47,738 The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not walk. 681 00:36:47,838 --> 00:36:50,675 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures. 682 00:36:50,775 --> 00:36:52,076 (Growls) 683 00:36:52,176 --> 00:36:53,444 And eventually it stopped. 684 00:36:53,544 --> 00:36:55,213 It might've been just one or two minutes, 685 00:36:55,313 --> 00:36:58,316 but it seemed like the longest one or two minutes. 686 00:36:58,416 --> 00:37:00,051 And when it broke, he started crying 687 00:37:00,151 --> 00:37:01,852 and he said, "Mommy, mommy, that wasn't me. 688 00:37:01,953 --> 00:37:03,487 That wasn't me." 689 00:37:07,959 --> 00:37:09,360 When you're trying to protect your child, 690 00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:11,796 you do anything to protect them. 691 00:37:11,896 --> 00:37:13,831 But when you can't see 692 00:37:13,931 --> 00:37:16,901 or physically feel what's attacking them, 693 00:37:17,001 --> 00:37:20,137 you feel hopeless and helpless. 694 00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:21,305 At this point, 695 00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:24,041 Dawn was desperate to get help for her son. 696 00:37:24,141 --> 00:37:26,611 And at that time, that's when I met Joe. 697 00:37:26,711 --> 00:37:28,279 She was telling us that 698 00:37:28,379 --> 00:37:30,414 she believed that her home was haunted 699 00:37:30,514 --> 00:37:32,250 and that her son was seeing things 700 00:37:32,350 --> 00:37:34,185 and he was talking to spirits. 701 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:36,621 Dawn had mentioned 702 00:37:36,721 --> 00:37:39,624 a couple of different smells in the house. 703 00:37:39,724 --> 00:37:42,193 Just before a spirit may show up, 704 00:37:42,293 --> 00:37:45,096 you will smell a flower of some sort 705 00:37:45,196 --> 00:37:48,766 and it's usually roses and lilacs. 706 00:37:48,866 --> 00:37:50,935 Jordan believed that a little spirit, 707 00:37:51,035 --> 00:37:53,437 a little female was speaking to him. 708 00:37:53,537 --> 00:37:56,941 A child could relate to a child's spirit. 709 00:37:57,041 --> 00:38:00,444 The spirit of a girl that had passed away 710 00:38:00,544 --> 00:38:02,346 was trying to come through. 711 00:38:02,446 --> 00:38:04,949 And the only way she could get anybody's attention 712 00:38:05,049 --> 00:38:08,319 was to go at somebody that was more on her mentality 713 00:38:08,419 --> 00:38:10,888 or more on her wavelength, which would be another child. 714 00:38:13,090 --> 00:38:14,892 As the unravelling started 715 00:38:14,992 --> 00:38:16,727 and I started asking a bunch of questions, 716 00:38:16,827 --> 00:38:19,997 then certain things were like, "Okay, tarot cards." 717 00:38:22,066 --> 00:38:23,701 She had dabbled into a few things 718 00:38:23,801 --> 00:38:24,769 and then everything 719 00:38:24,869 --> 00:38:26,671 was starting to get put back into perspective. 720 00:38:28,072 --> 00:38:30,007 If somebody is playing with tarot cards, 721 00:38:30,107 --> 00:38:31,542 they're divination tools, 722 00:38:31,642 --> 00:38:35,746 those are tools to communicate with those that have passed. 723 00:38:35,846 --> 00:38:37,114 A lot of times 724 00:38:37,214 --> 00:38:39,517 people just play with cards every so often, 725 00:38:39,617 --> 00:38:42,153 somebody makes a connection and a door does open. 726 00:38:46,023 --> 00:38:47,692 We have this thing in the paranormal 727 00:38:47,792 --> 00:38:50,027 that if something comes back, 728 00:38:50,127 --> 00:38:52,630 sometimes it could come back two or three times worse 729 00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:54,699 than it was originally. 730 00:38:54,799 --> 00:38:55,766 (Screams) 731 00:38:55,866 --> 00:38:56,767 Yea, though I walk 732 00:38:56,867 --> 00:38:57,802 through the valley of the shadow of death, 733 00:38:57,902 --> 00:38:59,437 I will fear no evil. 734 00:38:59,537 --> 00:39:01,605 It sounded like that's what happened. 735 00:39:01,706 --> 00:39:03,074 (Ghostly Voice) Get out! 736 00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:07,445 The game plan was to go find something. 737 00:39:08,646 --> 00:39:10,414 Something was there, we would try to pull it out. 738 00:39:10,514 --> 00:39:12,650 If not, we would like to get some sort of evidence, 739 00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:14,051 just something to go on, 740 00:39:14,151 --> 00:39:17,388 to show us that there is something supernatural 741 00:39:17,488 --> 00:39:18,789 happening in the home. 742 00:39:20,591 --> 00:39:21,792 We'd spent about, 743 00:39:21,892 --> 00:39:24,462 I'd say a good four or five hours of investigating. 744 00:39:24,562 --> 00:39:27,631 The very last sequence was in the basement. 745 00:39:27,732 --> 00:39:34,205 (♪♪♪) 746 00:39:34,305 --> 00:39:36,907 We set up cameras- we set up our video equipment, 747 00:39:37,007 --> 00:39:38,542 we took lots of pictures. 748 00:39:38,642 --> 00:39:45,349 (♪♪♪) 749 00:39:45,449 --> 00:39:47,718 I didn't have a good feeling going into the basement, 750 00:39:47,818 --> 00:39:50,087 I kinda felt-- 751 00:39:50,187 --> 00:39:51,722 It's almost like when you have the hair 752 00:39:51,822 --> 00:39:53,090 on the back of your neck stand up. 753 00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:54,725 It was one of those things and I'm like, 754 00:39:54,825 --> 00:39:56,527 "You know what, let's go down here 755 00:39:56,627 --> 00:39:57,795 and let's check this out." 756 00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:01,565 Initially, 757 00:40:01,665 --> 00:40:03,467 I don't like to hit people with prayer right off the bat. 758 00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:06,370 I don't wanna come off as anybody that's too religious 759 00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:08,773 or trying to make something out of nothing. 760 00:40:08,873 --> 00:40:10,674 ...my shepherd, I shall not want. 761 00:40:10,775 --> 00:40:12,510 But I felt compelled to pray into the house, 762 00:40:12,610 --> 00:40:14,178 into the basement. 763 00:40:14,278 --> 00:40:15,746 And that's what we did. 764 00:40:19,116 --> 00:40:23,020 (♪♪♪) 765 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,690 And when Joe had called me about two days later 766 00:40:26,791 --> 00:40:28,259 and said, "I got something to play for you, 767 00:40:28,359 --> 00:40:29,593 you gonna-- 768 00:40:29,693 --> 00:40:32,196 you know it's gonna knock your socks off basically." 769 00:40:36,801 --> 00:40:39,804 In the very end of the tape just before it ran out, 770 00:40:39,904 --> 00:40:42,072 I heard us saying the prayer, 771 00:40:42,173 --> 00:40:43,707 "It's now a house of Christ 772 00:40:43,808 --> 00:40:47,478 and you are no longer welcome here, evil spirit. 773 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,048 And you know you must obey our commands." 774 00:40:51,148 --> 00:40:52,249 (Entity groans) 775 00:40:52,349 --> 00:41:00,658 (♪♪♪) 776 00:41:02,993 --> 00:41:11,402 (♪♪♪) 777 00:41:11,502 --> 00:41:13,804 Dawn Pierce's life changed when her son Jordan 778 00:41:13,904 --> 00:41:16,040 began seeing the ghost of a child in their home. 779 00:41:17,107 --> 00:41:19,276 (Screams) 780 00:41:19,376 --> 00:41:20,778 After unsuccessfully trying 781 00:41:20,878 --> 00:41:22,913 to get rid of the spirit herself, 782 00:41:23,013 --> 00:41:24,048 Dawn called in 783 00:41:24,148 --> 00:41:27,084 professional paranormal investigator Joe Cetrone. 784 00:41:28,919 --> 00:41:31,956 At the very end of the tape, just before it ran out, 785 00:41:32,056 --> 00:41:34,191 I heard us saying the prayer, 786 00:41:34,291 --> 00:41:35,726 "It's now a house of Christ 787 00:41:35,826 --> 00:41:39,330 and you are no longer welcome here, evil spirit. 788 00:41:41,065 --> 00:41:43,000 And you know you must obey our commands." 789 00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,368 (Entity groans) 790 00:41:47,071 --> 00:41:48,973 And right during that time, 791 00:41:49,073 --> 00:41:53,711 over what we were saying was a loud growl, 792 00:41:53,811 --> 00:41:57,648 inhuman growl that sounded like a mule being kicked. 793 00:41:57,748 --> 00:41:59,116 "And you know you must obey our commands." 794 00:41:59,216 --> 00:42:00,851 (Entity groans) 795 00:42:00,951 --> 00:42:04,154 It was just the most God-awful 796 00:42:04,255 --> 00:42:06,857 loud scream, 797 00:42:06,957 --> 00:42:09,894 like an animal was being tortured. 798 00:42:09,994 --> 00:42:11,362 "And you know you must obey our commands." 799 00:42:11,462 --> 00:42:12,730 (Entity groans) 800 00:42:12,830 --> 00:42:14,765 It is definitely an inhuman sound 801 00:42:14,865 --> 00:42:17,334 that came over that recorder. 802 00:42:17,434 --> 00:42:18,836 But I felt relieved, 803 00:42:18,936 --> 00:42:22,373 because it validated what we'd been going through. 804 00:42:24,308 --> 00:42:27,144 There is something supernatural happening in the home. 805 00:42:30,915 --> 00:42:33,284 Not long after Joe had investigated the home, 806 00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:36,220 the Pierce family were spending a normal evening together. 807 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,321 Yeah, I'm gonna get you. 808 00:42:37,421 --> 00:42:41,425 (Jordan screaming and laughing) 809 00:42:43,027 --> 00:42:46,096 My husband, me, and Jordan were in my bedroom, 810 00:42:46,196 --> 00:42:47,831 my husband was on the computer, 811 00:42:47,932 --> 00:42:49,266 I was laying on the bed with Jordan 812 00:42:49,366 --> 00:42:50,568 and I was reading through the bible. 813 00:42:50,668 --> 00:42:52,536 And I started to read it out loud to him. 814 00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:02,980 (Screams) 815 00:43:04,181 --> 00:43:06,584 And he started thrashing around on the bed, and hitting me, 816 00:43:06,684 --> 00:43:10,754 and you know, yelling obscenities. 817 00:43:10,854 --> 00:43:16,627 (♪♪♪) 818 00:43:16,727 --> 00:43:18,228 (Jordan screams) 819 00:43:18,329 --> 00:43:23,734 (♪♪♪) 820 00:43:23,834 --> 00:43:24,835 And I yelled, "Mark! 821 00:43:24,935 --> 00:43:26,370 Mark, come over here help me." 822 00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:28,138 (Screaming) 823 00:43:28,238 --> 00:43:30,174 He came over and he was restraining Jordan 824 00:43:30,274 --> 00:43:31,342 and he said to me, 825 00:43:31,442 --> 00:43:32,776 "Just keep reading, just keep going." 826 00:43:37,748 --> 00:43:38,949 He was very strong 827 00:43:39,049 --> 00:43:40,985 and then all of a sudden, he just stopped. 828 00:43:47,224 --> 00:43:50,027 Cried and again you know, explaining that was not him. 829 00:43:50,127 --> 00:43:56,533 (♪♪♪) 830 00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:58,435 And I didn't know what to do with Jordan at that point. 831 00:43:58,535 --> 00:44:02,606 I was just sitting there, frustrated. 832 00:44:04,274 --> 00:44:07,978 And that must be hard for you, you know? 833 00:44:08,078 --> 00:44:10,047 Were you blaming your son? 834 00:44:10,147 --> 00:44:11,615 I was blaming myself. 835 00:44:14,218 --> 00:44:15,886 What did I do to open these doors? 836 00:44:15,986 --> 00:44:25,062 (♪♪♪) 837 00:44:25,162 --> 00:44:29,066 I felt like my curiosity maybe opened it. 838 00:44:29,166 --> 00:44:30,134 But I knew that 839 00:44:30,234 --> 00:44:32,136 there was something there from when we moved in. 840 00:44:34,605 --> 00:44:36,407 Things just weren't gonna get any better. 841 00:44:36,507 --> 00:44:38,475 And we had had enough. 842 00:44:38,575 --> 00:44:46,150 (♪♪♪) 843 00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:48,218 We spent four years in the house, 844 00:44:48,318 --> 00:44:49,653 so there were a lot of different things 845 00:44:49,753 --> 00:44:51,021 that happened. 846 00:44:51,121 --> 00:44:52,156 He was young at the time 847 00:44:52,256 --> 00:44:54,291 and I thought maybe he would forget, 848 00:44:54,391 --> 00:44:56,026 but he still hasn't forgotten. 849 00:44:56,126 --> 00:45:00,864 (♪♪♪) 850 00:45:00,964 --> 00:45:03,367 (Evil laughter) 851 00:45:03,467 --> 00:45:05,436 (Screams) 852 00:45:05,536 --> 00:45:09,473 He was my first child and um... 853 00:45:11,709 --> 00:45:13,577 ...I just still blame myself, 854 00:45:13,677 --> 00:45:17,514 because he has problems 855 00:45:17,614 --> 00:45:19,683 with PTSD. 856 00:45:19,783 --> 00:45:21,819 And you can't tell a psychiatrist, 857 00:45:21,919 --> 00:45:26,457 he wants to tell somebody why he's the way he is. 858 00:45:26,557 --> 00:45:31,095 And instead, he has to deal with medication. 859 00:45:31,195 --> 00:45:32,796 He'll be 13. 860 00:45:32,896 --> 00:45:35,399 But now he's been backed out on sleeping on the couch, 861 00:45:35,499 --> 00:45:37,634 he doesn't want to sleep in his own room. 862 00:45:37,735 --> 00:45:41,572 After what he's experienced, he wants to go back in my room. 863 00:45:41,672 --> 00:45:43,674 He can't sleep without the lights on. 864 00:45:43,774 --> 00:45:45,743 (Sniffs) 865 00:45:45,843 --> 00:45:50,114 Um, he can still hear things, he can't see them. 866 00:45:52,416 --> 00:45:54,118 He's become a little bit more closed off, 867 00:45:54,218 --> 00:45:58,856 but he's very paranoid, very anxious. 868 00:46:01,492 --> 00:46:04,561 Um, a lot of anxiety. 869 00:46:04,661 --> 00:46:06,563 (Sniffs) 870 00:46:06,663 --> 00:46:09,666 I thank God that we did move. 871 00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:11,201 I didn't wanna keep living there 872 00:46:11,301 --> 00:46:14,004 and lived to be tortured every day. 873 00:46:14,104 --> 00:46:20,177 (♪♪♪)